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“ASK states feminist equalization ‘a slow process'” (1971)
An article from a special supplement on the Women’s Liberation Movement that appeared in the Northeastern University News. NU president Asa S. Knowles discusses NU’s efforts to address the lack of women in top administrative and academic posts. Northeastern University News. Vol. LII, No. 14, page 5.
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Women at Northeastern: ASK states feminist equalization 'a slow process'
Women at Northeastern: ASK states feminist equalization 'a slow process'
Women at Northeastern: ASK states feminist equalization 'a slow process'
Women at Northeastern: ASK states feminist equalization 'a slow process'
Northeastern University News
Northeastern University News
1971-02
1971-02
Women's liberation movement
Feminism
Women in the workplace
University administration
Women's liberation movement
Feminism
Women in the workplace
University administration
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Women's liberation movement
Feminism
Women in the workplace
University administration
Women at Northeastern: ASK states feminist equalization 'a slow process'
Women at Northeastern: ASK states feminist equalization 'a slow process'
women at northeastern ask states feminist equalization a slow process
1971/02/01
Women at Northeastern: ASK states feminist equalization 'a slow process'
1971-02
Women's liberation movement
Gelinas, Mary
Gelinas, Mary
Northeastern University News
Gelinas, Mary
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SuppleiDent: woiDen at Northeastern
Co-op discrimination
hampers placement
by BARRY GILBERT
"Discrlmination is a very underhanded thing,u said Roy L
Wooldridge, vice· president and
dean of co- operative education,
in an interview on sex discrimi·
nation in co- op jobs.
The dean was refering to discrimination of all types-by race,
and religion as well as sex-as he
aclmowledged the difiiculty of
proving charges of discrimination.
11
Wa could refuM to cleal with
employers w. feel are discriml·
nating -oalnst women," Wool·
dridge ulcL "But what does that
do to the men alrNdy worldng
on co-op for that company? They
would be out of a lob and that
wouldn't be falr elther."
The dean said that he has directed bis staff to ask employers
if they would tate a woman as
well as a man on co-op. •Tm sure
discrimination because of sex still
must happen on co-op jobs," he
continued. ..The problem is that
men think in terms of umen"
for certain jobs, they never picture having a women for some
of these jobs."
"For insta.nce," he said, •'the
word boy" is built into certain
Job titles, like ofiice boy or copy
boy. Its almost a tradition. rm
sure tbis is cban:ging today but
the surprise fadol' on the employers part still remains, they're
just not used to the idea."
The dean feels the co-op situation is a bit different because
pay seales are based on the year
of the student, rather than the
whim of the employer.
"A mlddler WOIMft would be
Plid the sarne as • mlddler man,"
he said. ''The problem comes In
placing women in certaln industries. lt would be v ry diff1cut
to place a woman engineering
student wlth a constructlon proi·
ect; th refore, rnost wornen en·
gineering rnaiors work for consulting flr4ms on the deslgning
ttnd of the business/'
Wooldridge estimated that coop unemployment is about six per
cent now, including the two per
cent which are usually not placed
despite the economic situation.
"The one tield the recession
has not hit," the dean said, "is
the health sciences."
"And even here," he added,
"discrimination can be a problem
because of traditional ideas. A
chief nurse in a hospital may not
be ready for a male nursing student-a kind of reverse bounce."
Demands and demonstrations to
the co-op department by women
have happened, Ryded added.
"Two years ago we received a
petition from wom.en in business
admilli.stMtion," he explained.
"They charged discrimination
against certain employers because
they didn't feel they were getting
the same chances as a man of
equal standing.
'
"As 1 r.collect, we couldn't subst•ntla~a the charge. Discrimina·
tlon ls not sornethlng you can
really put your finger on. Usually
its a feeling which only the in·
dividuals lnvolved can expresa."
The dean again explained how
difficult it is to prove discrimination.
"fve repeatedly told my people
not to become a party to discrimination of any kind. I feel
tbings are changing. Today it depends more on the ability level
of a person rather than on sex."
- Frank Moy, Jr.
There are stiU the teas lor lemale transler students, and lemale seniors; there's still the
the manifestation of women in a sexual stereotype in Carnival, Military Ball and HomecominA Queens. But, where are the opportunities for a woman to choose what she wants to do
-the Iogical extension of treatinA her equally?"
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Women 'can' gel top jobs-few do
By AL YCE BOUCHARD
Top executive positions here
are overwhelmingly dominated
by men. Only two of the 23 deans
in the university are women, and
of 31 associates and assistant
deans, only four are women.
The colleges and departments
are almost exclusively headed by
men, with the exception of the
College of Nursing and Boston
Bouve. Professional positions are
highly male-dominated in all departments, again excepting Nursing and Boston Bouve.
According to Kenneth G. Ryder,
vice president of administration,
this phenomena is mainly due to
the fact that men go on for the
doctoral degree in far greater
numbers than women.
"Women are hired on the same
criteria as men," said Ryder.
"But they don't get special consideration if they don't meet the
qualifica tions."
Ryder pointed out that the
male-female ratios are dependent
upon the fields - for instance,
there are no female administra-
ASK states feminist equalization 'a slow process'
By MARY GELINAS
"'f.he university is leaning over
backwards to remedy" the paucity
of women in top administrative and
academic posts according to President Asa S. Knowles.
The president indicated, in an
interview last week, that he had
emphasized the importance of hiring hoth women and blacks in
memorandums to and discussions
With university administrators and
department heads.
However, equalizing the number of women in higher education
With that of men "is a slow process." Knowles indicated that the
equalization would probably take
a long time because of the number
~men in tenured positions, the
ted number of those pos~, the
1
ength of time reqt.úred to gain
tenureship, and the nwnber of women qualified to fill the positions.
He feels the only way to change
the situation is to fill positions with
"qualified" women when they
open. However, Knowles said that
there are few positions open and
that there is little turnover in administrative positions, t he re by
making it impossible presently for
women to be included in administration and leadership.
Knowles indicated t h a t the
dearth of women at the top, however, was not a result of discriminatory hiring practices. "The university never gives preference to
men over women if they have the
same administrative experience and
ability.
"In fact, I might even lean towards hiring women. I wish we
had more women in administration. In the 25 years rve been in
university administration rve observed that women do as good, and
often better than men.''
He added that the quality of
work depends on the individual
and that "sex doesn't have anything to do with it"
If, as Knowles stated, "Women
are not being discriminated against
in any way I can see or know
about," then why are there only
two fernale heads of colleges; why
are all department heads, with the
exception of those in Nursing and
Boston Bouve, male; and why are
only two of the 23 deans women?
"It's been a matter of tradition," explained Knowles. 'The
emphasis on women in administration is new." Referring to the total
absence of women frorn the Division of Cooperative Education untill960, Knowles said it was ''nothing discriminatory. I don't think
any women applied."
(Continuecl on Page 8)
tors or instructors in the School
of Engineering, but in the College of Nursing, headed by Dean
Juanita Long, 100 per cent are
women.
But in the Colleges of Liberal
Arts and F!ducation there is
mixed interest and the faculty
composition is accordingly mixed,
but with a much higher percentage of men holding executive
and professional positions.
Of the 114 full professors in
the eight basic colleges, four aré
women; of 185 associate professors, 21 are women; and of 175
assistant professors, 38 are women. For overall university statistics see the chart on Page 8.
Ryder attributes this proportion to the number of women applicants. "1 am unaware of any
conscious bias," he said in regards to biring and professional
appointments. "We try to get
people with doctorates, and if
you look at the ratio of men to
women going on for doctorate
degrees, you find those with doctorates are overwhelmingly men,"
he said.
Ryder noted that a higher percentage of women have applied
for faculty positions this year,
partly because of newly developing programs of greater interest
to women.
Sex makes no difference in
hiring and appointments, according to Ryder. "Women are paid
the same salaries as men in comparable positions." He pointed
out that all salaries are based
on scale, determined by position,
and tenure, regardless of sex.
On the other hand, many women whose jobs are defined as
secretaria! have been handling
assignments above their secre(Contlnuecl on Page 8)
�Northeastern NEWS, February 19, 1971
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Female jocks receive little support • Doherty •••
by DALE KING
Will women ever be competing
with the men in varsity sports?
Not likely, according to a poll
taken among coaches and athletic
department personnel.
A separate league for the women to compete against one another at the varsity level was suggested as arr alternative to inte~
grating male and female athletes
into present varsity ranks.
"As long as there are true gentlemen - and let us hope there
will always be true gentlemen there would always be the tendency among men to let the woman go ahead," said Athletic Director Herbert Gallagher.
"In combative sports the gentlemen will always give way to
the ladies." Gallagher noted that
in a tennis match, for example,
a man would not think twice
about smashing the hall into the
face of a male opponent. If the
opponent were female "the man
would likely hit the ball to one
side."
In track, if a male and female
were running neck-to-neck, "a
gentleman would let the lady
ci'06s the fini's h line first."
"Mala and female competition in
hard contact varsity sports ls not
practlcal," sald Asslstant Athletic
Director Joe Zabllski, head coach
of NU football. "lt might be fun
for the boys, but lt wouldn't be
fun for the glriL"
Coach Zabilsk:i favored a gi'l"ls
varsity league, noting that competition is good for both sexes.
He added, however, that bo.th men
and women could compete on an
equal basis in track, swimming
or other sports not requiring hard
contact.
"Girls should gf> in for the feminine sports which would develop
their graces and ladylike qualities," said Zabilski.
Football Line Coach Robert
"Bo" Lyons agreed with Coach
Zabilski noting that ''football is
not the game for girls. 1 don't
believe in contact sports other
than on a date!"
"They could probably play basehall," said Lyons, "but hockey
and basketball isn't their place.
You wouldn't want to see a girl
with a broken nose, would you?''
"M n are physically stronger
than women and 1 don't think the
two will ever play hockey sideby-side,'' NU Hockey Coach Fernie Flaman said. "1 would like
to s
women play hockey on
their own level if they are in·
terested in playlng the game."
"The contact of a hockey game
sort of precludes the mixing of
the two sexes - after all, there
are other contact sports men and
women can engage in!"
lf Flaman e. er found a girl
v
with Bobby Orr's hockey abilities,
however, "I'd personally use her,
although there would be a question of eligibility."
Track Coaches Irwin Cohen and
Ev Baker tossed around the question of women in varsity sports
by conjecturing on how Chi Chen,
woman athlete of the year, would
do in the Greater Boston College
meet.
Coach Cohen felt she probably
wouldn't plaee, noting that her
He mentioned that there were
"many" women administrators
in the Admissions Office, Division of Co-operative Education,
and Graduate Placement. According to the Faculty Staff Directory there are five female administrators out of 11 in admissions; 31 of 64 in co-op; and one
out of five in placement.
Following the usual trend in
the university only one of the
five women in admissions is an
assistant dean of admissions, the
other four are assistant directors
of admissions; only one is an associate professor in co-op, two
are assistant professors, and the
rest are instructors or administrative assistants; and the women
in placement is an assistant
placement officer.
The lack of women administrators also explains why there
are only two women - both
elected by the faculty of the
College of Nursing - on the 40member Faculty Senate. Although
none of the ten administrationappointed members are women,
Knowles said they have been in
the past and that membership
has to rotate.
He said that one woman in administration indicated s h e did
not want to serve because of the
amount of time involved.
The president also indicated he
favors having a day care center
on campus but does not feel it
would draw more women to the
university. Although he has applied to the federal govemment
(Continued on Page 9)
(Continuad from Page 7)
Absurd, I say. Just as absurd
as when 1, as Sports Editor, was
denied an invitation to the Northeastern sports banquet because
I was a girl. After writing a column which I understand incurred
the wrath of many uninvolved
coaches, 1 received an invite. But,
I can rest assured that no females
will be present at the next banquet.
As far as safety at the Panther
trials - the courtrooms each day
are crawling with plain clothesmen and uniformed sheriffs. Yet,
I was allowed to cover a case in
the next courtroom involving a
gang bang on two girls and a guy
by a motorcycle club. This room
was so "secure" that two of the
defendants escaped, kidnaped
two sheriffs, tied them to a tree
and weren't seen a g a in for
months.
1 feel these things as a woman
and as a human, yet 1 am PUIItd
one way toward the movement
and another way away from it. 1
spurn the pettiness usad to get
the attention of people who they
think will listen, yet 1 am sornetimes made to feel guilty for degrading these things, because 1
realize the ultimate goal is 9ood
and important.
I only hope that those of us
who want equality of the sexes
in jobs, pay, etc. are not pushed
off by the more militant femin.
ists who want all or nothing.
I also hope that someday, sorne
of those who want all things the
same, will realize how dull sameness can get after a while - and
I mean sameness, not equality.
Too few university woDien in top jobs
(Continued from Paga 5)
tarial duties but are being paid
a flat secretaria! rate.
Maryann MacClaughlin, who
rose from clerk, secretary to assistant bursar, said she is very
happy with the situation at
Northeastern. "I think they've
done wonderful by .~Jte."
MaeClaughlin admits, however,
that her salary is much lower
than that of her male counterparts in the Bursar's office, but
she feels that there is a justification for that, since they have
degrees (she does not) and have
to support their' families.
"Really, the only objection 1
have is the money, and 1 definitely feel that is going to change,
as soon as the university is able
to." MacClaughlin explained that
because of budget restrictions at
the time of her appointment last
November, she has not been able
to receive more money.
Her supervisors are all men,
but she said the only time they
really are above her is in making
policy decisions. And they all
have degrees, sbe added.
The following chart represents a survey of
instruccors, proiessors and administrators currently working within the university. It is
divided int'o individual colleges and admínisfor a grant to fund such a cen-
Knowles: we ·like wornen
(Continuad from Page 5)
best time was done under ideal
. conditions and her average time
probably wouldn't qualify her for
one of the top five positions.
Coach Baker was kinder-he felt
she might make fourth place.
lf a girl went out for the track
team and was good enough, Cohen said he'd let her compete
but he did not believe a girl
could make his team. "They have
a definite physical handicap in
their physical makeup.11
Baseball Coach John Connelly.
favors girls softball and baseball
teams, but no intermixing.
"A woman can compete in levels of good competition, but they
have difficulty continuing for an
extended period of time. A woman isn't physically made up for
hard contact sports."
MacClaughlin is the first WGman to hold the position of assistant bursar, and she admits
"it took a long time getting it."
Another assistant bursar, who is
a male, got bis appointment more
quickly than she did, but he had
to go through the same positions,
from filing to adjusting accounts.
Severa! find that the picture at
Northeastern is changing, albeit
slowly. More women are "sticking it out" in the professional
world, and this national phenomenon is beginning to show it·
self here.
trative departments. Numbers such as ''5 of
20'' refer to the number ol women as opposed
to the total personnel in each department.
ter, he noted that in a recent . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - . . . ; ._ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __,
survey taken by the Office of
COLLEGE OF LIBERAL ARTS
University Planning the faculty
Teaching
expressed little interest in a cenResearchers
Professors
lnstructon
Assistants
ter.
Blology
5 of 22
Oof 2
2of 3
9 of 31
He personally does not like the
Chemistry
o of 23
4 of 18
Oof o
6 of 35
idea of a child care center beEarth Science
o of o
1 of 7
1 of 6
Oof o
cause, he said, "Most parents do
Economics
1 of 13
Oof 1
Oof 8
1 of 13
not want their children to be
English
o of o
10 of 24
3 of 28
4 of 11
cared for by someone else."
History
o of o
2 of 11
2of 7
4 of 1~
He also apparently favors tbe
Journalism
Oof 1
Oof 2
Oof o
Oof o
idea of having women's studies.
Mathematics
Oof 5
3 of 35
Oof 3
7 of 71
Although he admitted to not havModern Languages
o of o
11 of 17
2 of 12
Oof o
ing thought much about it prior
Music
o of o
2of 7
Oof 2
Oof o
to the interview he said he would
Philosophy
o of o
1 of 3
1 of 6
Oof o
have no objections to it. "HowPhysics
1 of 10
O of 1
o of 38
2 of 30
ever, any program of this kind
Political Science
o of o
o of 12
Oof 2
2of 9
has to originate with the faculty/'
Psychology
O of o
o of 2
2 of 15
8 of 23
he said.
Sociology.
3 of 14
2of 3
o of o
8 of 17
He indicated that he could see
Anthropology
such a program in women's studSCHOOL OF PHARMACY
SCHOOL OF NURSING
ies, which might be organized as
100 percent male
100 percent female
a separate institute or through
BOSTON BOUVE
the Department of Sociology-An100 percent fema le
COLLEGE OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION
thropology, would include topics
COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING
100 percent male
such as women in politics, the
100 percent mal•
role of women in society, and
SCHOOL OF LAW
UNIVERSITY PUBLIC RELATIONS
women as leaders.
Publications
2 of 6 editors
O of 12 professors
The pre~ident, indicating that
1 of 3 libarians
Public lnformation
1 of 5 personnel
he "would be very happy" to
Student Affairs
O of 2 admin.
COLLEGE OF EDUCATION
have sorne women vice presidents,
Office of the Dean
O of 5 deans
3 of 18 staff
more women deans, and more
1 of 2 admin. asst.
OFFICES
women in all administrative poO of 4 aduc. admin.
Office of the President
1 of 3 assistants
sitions, stated that because of bis
Foundations
Academic Affairs
1 of 5 admin.
3 of 12 professon
backgrouQd he was accustomed
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lnstruction
3 of 11 professors
University Administration O of 4
to the idea of women in posiReading
O of 5 professors
Admission Office
5 of 11 11
tions of leadership.
1 of 2 instructors
Alumni Office
1 of 6 directon
"I grew up in a family where
1 of 2 teaching asst. Alumni Records
3 of 4 admin.
both parents were professionals,
Special Education
4 of 9 professors
Office of Liberal Arts
2 of 5 assistants
so I grew up in an atmosphere"
2 of 2 teaching asst. Personnel Office
1 of 3 directors
where the roan and woman were
13 of 33 staff members Public lnformatlon
1 of 5 admin.
Educational Resources
equal. Knowles' father was a lawCOLLEGE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE
Registrar's Offlce
3 of 16 "
yer and judge and bis mother ad11
1 of 5 professors
ReK.3rch AdministratiOR 2 of 7
ministered her own company.
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Knowles: we like women
Knowles: we like women
Knowles: we like women
Knowles: we like women
Second page of an article published in NU News regarding the presence of women in Northeastern administrative positions
Northeastern University News
Northeastern University News
1971-02
1971-02
Women's liberation movement
Feminism
Women in the workplace
University administration
Women's liberation movement
Feminism
Women in the workplace
University administration
http://hdl.handle.net/2047/D20260058
http://hdl.handle.net/2047/D20260058
Women's liberation movement
Feminism
Women in the workplace
University administration
Knowles: we like women
Knowles: we like women
knowles we like women
1971/02/01
Knowles: we like women
1971-02
Women's liberation movement
Gelinas, Mary
Gelinas, Mary
Northeastern University News
Gelinas, Mary
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